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This is the same guy who said people who aren’t privately educated have the intelligence of a potted plant…
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This is the same guy who said people who aren’t privately educated have the intelligence of a potted plant…
Don't believe JRM said that for one moment, he's not that crass nor insulting.
Edited by gordonbennet on 03/03/2023 at 19:07
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This is the same guy who said people who aren’t privately educated have the intelligence of a potted plant…
Don't believe JRM said that for one moment, he's not that crass nor insulting.
Here is what was said:
State school pupils are 'potted plants', says Tory | The Independent | The Independent
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So, as expected a misleading (putting it mildly) headline from a newspaper, what JRM said was nothing at all to do with privately educated pupils, but to do with the tory party not being daft enough to by-pass potential candidates that had been to OxBridge, arguably at the time the finest educated graduates in the country, mainly for reasons of David Cameron's (self confessed heir to Blair) obsession with quotas and box ticking.
I gave up on newspapers over 30 years ago, newspapers are supposed like the BBC via its charter to provide unbiased news coverage, allowing the reader to make their own mind up from facts.
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I gave up on newspapers over 30 years ago, newspapers are supposed like the BBC via its charter to provide unbiased news coverage, allowing the reader to make their own mind up from facts.
I assume that you are not accusing the press of publishing falsehoods, merely that each paper or channel is being selective in the 'facts' it publishes. So it follows that you don't like the selections they make - or you have personal reasons for preferring different facts to suit your own leanings. Each to his own 'bias'. :-)
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I gave up on newspapers over 30 years ago, newspapers are supposed like the BBC via its charter to provide unbiased news coverage, allowing the reader to make their own mind up from facts.
I assume that you are not accusing the press of publishing falsehoods, merely that each paper or channel is being selective in the 'facts' it publishes. So it follows that you don't like the selections they make - or you have personal reasons for preferring different facts to suit your own leanings. Each to his own 'bias'. :-)
I presume that you'll now be calling Gordon 'Far Right', some ist or phobe because he doesn't subscribe to your thinking and is on the right-hand side of the political aisle like myself (I wholeheartedly agree with his comments, BTW). Just like you accused me of before but the other way around, despite your comments being Left wing.
What a bunch of steaming hypocrites as well as deniers that the legacy media regularly tell lies.
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I presume that you'll now be calling Gordon 'Far Right', some ist or phobe because he doesn't subscribe to your thinking and is on the right-hand side of the political aisle like myself
Already been accused of being a 'ist here Andy a while ago, not by Andrew.
I don't get into it with those on the left, they have a habit of accusing their opponent of what they themselves do, it often becomes personal with name calling (Brexit, Medical Experiments, anyone not going along called 'ists'phobes conspiracy theorists various other things, as you've been on the receiving end of multiple times) there's a couple here i've found its best to just ignore.
As for far right, the new insult now the 'ist default jibe no longer carries any weight, to be honest i'm not sure what i am, i'm a natural small c conservative who like millions of others have been without representation for decades, i wasn't a Thatcherite but respected the woman...i would like to a return to real old British politics where the conservative party conserve things via small govt and low taxes and steadfast borders and the labour party represent the true working classes instead of despising them...if we did return to those days i'd be a natural labour supporter, ironically one the curent labour party despise most of all, a working class patriot who can't abide football.
Whilst many are happy that the tory party no longer have the first clue about conservatism and are happy with blairite govt whether it wears the blue or red rosettes, what they fail to realise is that there is a massive political vacuum across the country and people like Richard Tice arn't going to fill it (that Andrew Bridgen Ratner moment told us all where he stood) , they really should look at the broader picture because a different type of political movement entirely could well gain traction when people realise they might be the only alternative to save whats left of the country.
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I presume that you'll now be calling Gordon 'Far Right', some ist or phobe because he doesn't subscribe to your thinking and is on the right-hand side of the political aisle like myself
Already been accused of being a 'ist here Andy a while ago, not by Andrew.
I don't get into it with those on the left, they have a habit of accusing their opponent of what they themselves do, it often becomes personal with name calling (Brexit, Medical Experiments, anyone not going along called 'ists'phobes conspiracy theorists various other things, as you've been on the receiving end of multiple times) there's a couple here i've found its best to just ignore.
As for far right, the new insult now the 'ist default jibe no longer carries any weight, to be honest i'm not sure what i am, i'm a natural small c conservative who like millions of others have been without representation for decades, i wasn't a Thatcherite but respected the woman...i would like to a return to real old British politics where the conservative party conserve things via small govt and low taxes and steadfast borders and the labour party represent the true working classes instead of despising them...if we did return to those days i'd be a natural labour supporter, ironically one the curent labour party despise most of all, a working class patriot who can't abide football.
Whilst many are happy that the tory party no longer have the first clue about conservatism and are happy with blairite govt whether it wears the blue or red rosettes, what they fail to realise is that there is a massive political vacuum across the country and people like Richard Tice arn't going to fill it (that Andrew Bridgen Ratner moment told us all where he stood) , they really should look at the broader picture because a different type of political movement entirely could well gain traction when people realise they might be the only alternative to save whats left of the country.
Absolutely. I've been very disappointed with Tice as Refrom Party leader, and especially his (IMHO) cowardly comments towards Bidgen - very similar to the 'pile-ons' I and others on the political Right face regularly for espousing views that were essentially 'mainstream conservative' 20-30 years ago.
What's amazing is that the biggest proponents of what I hoped would be the challenger to the mainstream parties are mostly 'Red Wall' conservatives - often former Labour supporters, who are socially conservative, honourable and speak plainly - Lee Anderson MP being the obvious example.
JRM himself appears to have capitulated, and rather like the Telegraph (sponsored by The Gates Foundation) with its now faux volte-face on the pandemic response publishing the 'Hanc0ck files', it seems to me like either managed opposition or weak-willed people not willing to risk much for what's right (correct, morally) when a few crumbs of power, fame and/or wealth are dangled in front of them.
Even Farage has defended the 'safe 'n' effective' jabs despite Big Pharma having a long history of criminality and corruption regarding their products, including 'vaccines'.
Unfortunately, I think, like yourself, that the 'opposition' to the Establishment parties will have to come from a truly grassroots movement of the dsaffected, not the metropolitan middle class lot who'd rather live in a posh cell than be free and fend for themselves.
Sadly, I suspect that things will have to get a lot worse before enough ordinary people fully wake up to such realities, as has happened many times before when human beings have made collossal mistakes.
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"Farage has defended the 'safe 'n' effective' jabs despite Big Pharma having a long history of criminality and corruption regarding their products, including 'vaccines'."
- Whether it's true or not that "Big Pharma" have been corrupt, that doesn't have any relevance as to whether covid vaccines are safe. Unless of course you wish to indulge in one of your "funny, that" thought processes.
"... the metropolitan middle class lot who'd rather live in a posh cell than be free..."
- I'm probably one of those, in your mind at least. However, I'm not "metropolitan" and it seems you do love to pigeon-hole/stereotype others. It's mildly amusing that you paint yourself as someone who is free and lives in the real world, when we're all in the grip of various prejudices and misapprehensions. However, most people, fortunately, are not caught in a net of bizarre beliefs about the governments of world (or is it "the deep state"?) being in collusion to oppress their citizens and other weird ideas.
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"Farage has defended the 'safe 'n' effective' jabs despite Big Pharma having a long history of criminality and corruption regarding their products, including 'vaccines'."
- Whether it's true or not that "Big Pharma" have been corrupt, that doesn't have any relevance as to whether covid vaccines are safe. Unless of course you wish to indulge in one of your "funny, that" thought processes.
Yeah, nuffin' to see here, please disprse:
youtu.be/pdFl__NlOpA
"... the metropolitan middle class lot who'd rather live in a posh cell than be free..."
- I'm probably one of those, in your mind at least. However, I'm not "metropolitan" and it seems you do love to pigeon-hole/stereotype others. It's mildly amusing that you paint yourself as someone who is free and lives in the real world, when we're all in the grip of various prejudices and misapprehensions. However, most people, fortunately, are not caught in a net of bizarre beliefs about the governments of world (or is it "the deep state"?) being in collusion to oppress their citizens and other weird ideas.
See previous response.
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<< I presume that you'll now be calling Gordon 'Far Right', >>
Oh, for God's sake. You are the only contributor on here who cannot resist labelling everyone else with an imagined position on the political spectrum. I would never try to label GB. Yourself, perhaps ....
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So, as expected a misleading (putting it mildly) headline from a newspaper, what JRM said was nothing at all to do with privately educated pupils, but to do with the tory party not being daft enough to by-pass potential candidates that had been to OxBridge, arguably at the time the finest educated graduates in the country, mainly for reasons of David Cameron's (self confessed heir to Blair) obsession with quotas and box ticking.
I gave up on newspapers over 30 years ago, newspapers are supposed like the BBC via its charter to provide unbiased news coverage, allowing the reader to make their own mind up from facts.
Who are the 'potted plants' that he is refiring to?
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This is the same guy who said people who aren’t privately educated have the intelligence of a potted plant…
Don't believe JRM said that for one moment, he's not that crass nor insulting.
Here is what was said:
State school pupils are 'potted plants', says Tory | The Independent | The Independent
Talk about massaging the truth. And from the 'Independent'...
Pants definitely ablaze there, from them and you.
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<< Talk about massaging the truth. And from the 'Independent'...>>
Having visited that link, I was thinking of asking what 'truth' had been massaged, and whether EA believes there is only one absolute truth (which he presumably has access to) and all other versions must have been massaged and should be disbelieved.
On second thoughts, no, I won't ask.
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Perhaps if the majority of our MPs earned an average wage instead of the extraordinary wealth and perks that most seem to have then perhaps the welfare of the ordinary folk would be better served. For some being MP is just a part time job well it is really with all the down time they have. Failure just not exist, you move on to fail again in another cushy role or not spend time in one long enough to do any harm. There have been more ministers in this present government than I have hot dinners. As for the lords well you have really arrived. There is enough hot air generated to solve the energy crisis almost as much as on here and yes I am am guilty as charged!
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They get paid about £85k a year. Very nice indeed, but not astronomical. That Jared whatsit in Sheffield didn't event get paid enough to fund his massive coke habit.
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They get paid about £85k a year. Very nice indeed, but not astronomical.
And I think they have to find some staff and office costs out of that ?
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They get paid about £85k a year. Very nice indeed, but not astronomical.
And I think they have to find some staff and office costs out of that ?
I think, and I can't be bothered to find out right now, that all staff and office costs come out of expenses. Which is why their expenses can be so high.
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Kahn gets paid 150K, as a comparison.
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Thank goodness jrm isn’t in any position to make the rules, he believes that paid holidays shouldn’t be a right, that the Victorian era had the most benevolent employers and I think he suggested we bring back workhouses…
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£85k for an MP - in the UK ~4% have an income greater than this - about 2m people. It is a "comfortable" level of income, but far from large.
Some may be living off accumulated wealth - but it is the sort of income associated with middle and higher ranking professionals (lawyers, accountants, architects etc), directors and owners of small companies, senior NHS doctors etc.
IMHO we need to pay MPs sufficient to ensure that the best people are attracted, not make relatively low pay a barrier to service.
There may be a sound argument for paying significantly more - although too much may attract the wrong people motivated by financial reward alone.
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IMHO we need to pay MPs sufficient to ensure that the best people are attracted, not make relatively low pay a barrier to service.
I have never seen the logic in the idea that offering a bigger salary will attract the 'best' people - it may certainly attract the greediest. The same logic might suggest that paying more will persuade some who would otherwise not want the job. All it can do is position the job of MP on a scale to compete with management posts considered to require similar aptitude (and we all know what the public thinks of those ...).
A lot of people - nurses are an example - work for relatively poor pay because they want to do that work.
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For those motivated only by a sense of service to the community, social position or power, money may make little difference. For most, however £££ are a material consideration.
Paying too little means that able folk who in the private sector of comfortably capable of earning £100k+ may not pursue a career in politics.
Most politicians would command at least middle or senior management levels in the private sector - to get elected they need communication skills, a reasonable intellect, energy, self confidence, ambition etc. Their current pay of £85k is at the bottom end of a market level.
Nursing - I am not suggesting that nurses are well paid generally - but note that the pay scales of the most senior Band 8c-9 nursing staff (consultant and director level typically go from £67-110k.
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