Not sure which to choose - Decision time - Eddie123

I posted earlier and thanks so much for your advice. So I am looking for a car up to £9k, probs a super mini. I've established Corsa 1.4 is not a bad one. Also considering Suzuki swift. Any other ideas for a good reliable little car Please?

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - badbusdriver

Suzuki Swift is an excellent choice, reliable peppy and good fun to drive. Because it weighs so little the 1.2 is absolutely fine, but if you wanted a bit more oomph, the 1.0 Boosterjet (turbo) would fit the bill. Also consider Mazda 2, Toyota Yaris and Honda Jazz.

Others worth considering would include the Ford Fiesta 1.25 (not the 1.0 Ecoboost), Kia Rio, Hyundai i20.

Also, Skoda Fabia, Seat Ibiza and VW Polo (all three are the same car under the skin), especially if that budget would get you into the excellent 1.0TSI engine.

Edited by badbusdriver on 18/02/2024 at 18:30

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - catsdad

That’s a good list from bbd.
As on the previous thread my experience of the Corsa was not great. However if you are looking at the 1.4 be sure to check which bhp it has as these are two power levels. The lower one is only 75bhp and takes 15.5 secs to reach 60. That is very slow by modern standards. We have already established you are not a boy racer but joining a motorway, overtaking and steep hills will not be its forte. The higher power 89bhp would be better if you are set on a 1.4 Corsa.

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - Adampr

I don't think I'd be buying a Corsa if I had £9k to spend. It really depends how far and fast you plan to drive it, but Japanese (not Nissan) and Korean would be the way to go if.you want reliability.

A Fiat Panda or VW Up!/Seat Mii/ Skoda Citigo would have a lot more character if you just want to pop to the shops.

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - Engineer Andy

That’s a good list from bbd.
As on the previous thread my experience of the Corsa was not great. However if you are looking at the 1.4 be sure to check which bhp it has as these are two power levels. The lower one is only 75bhp and takes 15.5 secs to reach 60. That is very slow by modern standards. We have already established you are not a boy racer but joining a motorway, overtaking and steep hills will not be its forte. The higher power 89bhp would be better if you are set on a 1.4 Corsa.

The odd thing is that the current version (2015-) Mazda2 has a 1.5L, 75hp engine (base version) that is far quicker to 60, around the 11.5 - 12.5 sec mark depending on the variant (age, newer ones may be downrated to achieve a better environmental score) because the unit probably has a lot more torque than the 1.4L in the Corsa, even accounting for the extra engine capacity.

That Corsa engine reminds me of some older VAG 1.0s and 1.4s (no-turbos) back in the 90s and early 2000s that were dead slow as well, more than my mid 90s 1L Micra which 'only' had 54hp.

It's like with my dad's previous two 1.25L Fiestas, the first from 1996 was far more spritely to 60 (by nearly 2 sec) than the one from 2008 (run-out), not just because of the extra weight, but because they reduced the CO2 emissions, and that was after upping the power from 75hp to 82.

My own Mazda3 1.6 had a midlife maker in mid 2006 which dropped the CO2 from 172 to 149 but upped the 0-60 time from 11.2sec to 12.2sec, presumably by remapping the engine ECU.

Sometimes, the 'official' 0-60 mark is also not really true to life, as I discovered with the 3rd gen Mazda3 2L petrol, where in my view, it was about 0.5sec slower when I test drove one, not that much swifter than my old 1.6 petrol in normal driving. With others, it might be the other way around.

Always a good idea to get an extended (1hr+) test drive on a wide variety of road types and conditions to get a decent indication of what the car is really like.

As regards that lower-output Mazda2, I did have one as a courtesy car for a day and it felt ok compared to a similar 1L (67hp) N/A Suzuki Alto courtesy car, which struggled going up the hill on the local dual carriageway, but was otherwise fine and quite nippy around town. The difference was likely the extra torque available, not just the extra 8hp, given the Mazda2 is probably heavier.

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - SLO76
Cast the net wide and include the following.

Ford Fiesta 1.25 petrol - Fun to drive, robust and cheap to run. Do not touch the diesels, the 1.0 Ecoboom or the Powershift autos. The 1.25 petrol comes in 60PS and 82PS outputs, the former is gutless while the higher output version nips along nicely, with no real economy difference.

Mazda 2 1.5 Skyactiv petrol - These are brilliant little cars. Tough chain driven petrol motor will run and run if looked after, drives very well indeed and is good on fuel. The 1.5 comes in 75 and 90PS outputs, but both are acceptable on the road. I’d leave the diesels well alone.

Suzuki Swift petrol - These are a hoot to drive, but space is a tad lacking in the rear and boot so check it’s big enough for you.

Toyota Yaris 1.33 petrol - Tough as old boots and great on fuel. Not exactly exciting to look at or drive but probably the longest lasting thing you can buy, these are bombproof. Just check the clutch hasn’t been burnt out by old Dorris first.

Honda Jazz Mk III - Bit dull but reliable, economical and very practical. A much smoother ride than the previous gen car.

A mint low mileage petrol Corsa is worth considering as you’ll get a newer lower mileage car for your money, but they’re not as good as any of the above to be honest. Don’t touch the Fiat diesels.

Edited by SLO76 on 18/02/2024 at 19:59

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - Eddie123

I love this forum. Thanks so much guy's! Really really appreciate your time and advice as I haven't much idea. Will consider all of these points :)

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - Heidfirst

Maybe not the most exciting but reliable super mini=Toyota Yaris

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - craig-pd130

Just to add a comment in favour of the Corsa 1.4. We have a 2015 (15 plate) 'Excite' 5-door model which is now our only car as I've retired.

It's not exciting to drive, but the 5-door version is perhaps among the roomiest in the class. The cabin is light and airy with loads of room for 4 adults. Vauxhall upgraded the interior in late 2014 so it's a lot nicer and it's held up well (ours has done 70,000 miles). The seats are comfy, and ours also has heated seats AND a heated steering wheel, which are very welcome on cold days.

The only thing that's gone wrong is the usual Corsa coil pack failure. However, it's an easy and cheap fix (about £80 for the replacement part). Apart from that, the car has needed nothing other than annual servicing, tyres, and front brake discs / pads.

There are loads of them around, so if you shop around for the right specification you can get one that has the nice extras like heated seats.

Our daughter has a Toyota Aygo which has been 100% reliable. The only drawback is that it really is a small car, but if you only ever carry no more than a single passenger it's worth considering as they are brilliant in town, really nippy and easy to park.

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - badbusdriver

As on the previous thread my experience of the Corsa was not great. However if you are looking at the 1.4 be sure to check which bhp it has as these are two power levels. The lower one is only 75bhp and takes 15.5 secs to reach 60. That is very slow by modern standards. We have already established you are not a boy racer but joining a motorway, overtaking and steep hills will not be its forte. The higher power 89bhp would be better if you are set on a 1.4 Corsa.

I didn't know that there was two versions of the 1.4 in the Corsa E, quite surprised too, if only for the fact that the lower powered version is making less power than the 1.2 in the Corsa D!

But having looked at the specs in depth, for a few reasons I'm not sure I'd be overly concerned at getting the 75bhp version. Not sure where your 0-60 time of 15.5 seconds came from, but I've found two separate websites (listing specs) both stating 14 seconds 0-62 for the 75bhp version, not that far off the 13.2 seconds of the 89bhp car. Both 75 and 89bhp versions make exactly the same peak torque at exactly the same rpm. Maximum power of the 75bhp car is delivered between 4200 and 6000rpm, whereas on the 89bhp car, maximum power is delivered at 6000rpm. And what those last two points tell me is that the 89bhp car offers no benefit over the 75bhp car unless being thrashed.

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - catsdad

I got the 15.5 figure from Autotrader. It’s also stated in the HJ review section. Parkers say 15.0. I couldn’t actually find the manufacturer figures. Maybe thats what you have found?

If yours are right I agree there is not much practical difference between the two but if I was buying the lower power one I’d want to test drive it to be sure it met my needs.

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - Terry W

What to buy questions keep coming up. Myriad suggestions borne of individual biases and experiences in an attempt to be helpful merely adds to the confusion,

If the net is spread too widely a decision is never made - there is always another to look at. Alternative approach for those undecided who really want a new car:

  • be very clear about key criteria are - reliability, performance, gizmos, style, comfort, handling, street cred, mpg, auto/manual, etc.
  • no car will deliver all, even the most expensive - new or s/h
  • Japanese and Korean generally have the best reputation for reliability with the longest warranties.
  • performance is fairly factual - figures and road tests are readily available.
  • most of the rest are subjective "in the eye or opinion of the buyer"

Visiting a few forecourts to browse will quickly limit the options to (say) three. Sit in, test drive - the short list will come down to one or two. You now know precisely what you are looking for and can be knowledgeable about pricing, options etc.

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - badbusdriver

I got the 15.5 figure from Autotrader. It’s also stated in the HJ review section. Parkers say 15.0. I couldn’t actually find the manufacturer figures. Maybe thats what you have found?

The times I was looking at was not direct from the manufacturer, though they may have come from them. But regardless of which time is accurate, standing start acceleration figures are not that representative of real life. They only give that one very narrow snapshot of how quickly the car will get from a standing start to 60/62mph* if driven flat out. Doesn't really tell you how lively or otherwise the car is going to feel driven normally. In gear acceleration figures are much more useful in that respect, but unfortunately they are rarely stated these days. If someone is interested enough to look into it, the only accurate way to tell how nippy one car will feel next to another is to compare power to weight ratio, torque to weight ratio, and at what rpm peak torque is delivered. As Scotty say, "Ye canna change the laws of physics"!

Another point is that standing start acceleration figures can be skewed by as much as a second if an extra gear change is needed on the way to 60/62mph, which makes the car look slower than it actually is. In fact, with the gearing of so many cars being far too long, the car needing an extra gear change could easily feel more lively, simply through being geared more realistically for the average road speed in this country.

*The difference between accelerating to 60 or 62mph on a sub 100bhp supermini can be more than half a second. So if the actual acceleration times are important to you and you are comparing a 0-60 time with a 0-62 time, this also needs to be taken into account.

What to buy questions keep coming up. Myriad suggestions borne of individual biases and experiences in an attempt to be helpful merely adds to the confusion,

So should we just ignore them?

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - Adampr

I think we can safely.assume that a car that does 0-60 in 15 seconds or more is slow under all circumstances. I suppose there might be something blisteringly quick up to 59, but I doubt it.

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - badbusdriver

I think we can safely.assume that a car that does 0-60 in 15 seconds or more is slow under all circumstances.

Some no doubt can, presumably they'd be oblivious to the art/skill of preserving momentum though.

I've owned and/or driven plenty of cars who's 0-60 time would have been more than 15 seconds, but I haven't considered slow. Excluding some old and/or knackered buses, the only recollection I have of driving something particularly slow was a mid 90's diesel Escort van. I'm fairly certain there was something amiss with that though, because I'd driven other vehicles with the same engine and they weren't as slothful. My old Caddy 2.0SDI would have had a 0-60 time of around 20 seconds, but didn't feel particularly slow to me.

I would also add that IMO, it is more fun, more involving and more rewarding making quick progress in a low powered car.

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - Terry W

Around town 15 secs 0-60 is manageable and largely academic anyway - urban speed limits see to that. 0-30 is more important - given a bit of wellie a 15+ sec car won't embarrass away from the traffic light(won't impress either!).

The issues arise on motorways dicing with the HGVs with high revs and noisy cabin. On "A" roads a lack of power makes tractors and milk floats major impediments to progress.

10-12 secs 0-60 is adequate unless of a sporty or aggressive disposition.

8-10 secs is probably all that most have the talent to properly control and drive as fast a legally permitted - those with track day experience possibly excepted.

Below 8 secs 0-60 is increasingly mixture of ego and and a few seconds of adrenalin before reaching licence losing speeds - eg: floor it on an m/way slip road, join the m/way at 95mph.

Not sure which to choose - Decision time - SLO76
The Corsa 1.4 with just 75bhp is actually perfectly adequate on the road 95% of the time. It’s designed with low speed torque on mind and it doesn’t feel sluggish around town or in normal use out on the road. It’s certainly no rocket ship but it’s mechanically simple and generally robust. I
Not sure which to choose - Decision time - Engineer Andy
The Corsa 1.4 with just 75bhp is actually perfectly adequate on the road 95% of the time. It’s designed with low speed torque on mind and it doesn’t feel sluggish around town or in normal use out on the road. It’s certainly no rocket ship but it’s mechanically simple and generally robust. I

Sounds like it could be similar to that Suzuki Alto I had as a courtesy car. I suppose you just have to be extra careful planning overtakes on single up/down roads and pulling out from a standing start into fast flowing traffic at junctions, which is what i had to do with my 90s 1L Micra.